[SPEAKER_06]: I'll just send her a quick message.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot to see through the Dakotas when you're in the Black Hills. We did South Dakota before COVID. That was awesome. I loved that. I could go back to that. It was awesome being out. So we went to a bunch of different national parks, but I forget which one it was. I think it was, um, Custer and like, so we're on the planes and then all of a sudden some animal group was moving. We couldn't see them, but you could just hear the poop. I was like, wow, that's incredible. I love that. You don't get that out here. No, no, it's so different. The sound travels a long way. It's amazing.
But now everyone's old enough, we don't have any infants, so we can camp. We didn't wanna risk it. Yeah, she was, Molly was probably like six months or something. Yeah, so that was cool. Cool place.
[Theresa Dupont]: Okay, I just nudged her.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: center refresh link and everything so do you want to go ahead and show it all right let's get started let me just go ahead and hit record real quick recording in progress all right so this is the july 9th historic district commission meeting tonight's agenda is uh to look at a few things the certificate of appropriateness the 21 pro ev the certificate of appropriateness the 20 hillside ev to go over the meeting minutes from June, some administrative matters, and then an adjournment.
So if we'd like to get started, would you mind presenting the revisions 2 to 21-20? Do you want to bring them up? I can share. You can bring them up, or if you want to drive it, I'd be happy to make you a co-host so you can share. I do hear for an adjournment? No.
[Unidentified]: No?
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: OK. If anyone needs to see the screen, feel free to move your chairs or whatever you need to do. Thank you.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: I can also.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, here we go. Magic. Yes, I'm going to need reference on how to step through it.
[Theresa Dupont]: If you want to give maybe just a quick, very brief overview. I know this is a continued application.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sure. Yeah, so let me follow up to the last time with a quick overview. To build what you see there, the imagined still in that picture of virtual carriage house garage, maybe you above it. Um, there used to be something there, you know, collapse was torn down. 30 plus years ago, I think, and plot plans show there was foreign carriage house there back 100 years more as well. So, looking to build that and I'll step through the.
This layout here, so since since we met, yeah, followed up on a couple of the main things we discussed, which is what is the back stairwell setting means of egress going to look like. Brief meeting with the fire protection folks got some sort of general feedback on how they're approaching this in general. They're following Boston's kind of guidance, at least for the time being. So we kind of modeled after that. So what that means is we've, we've shifted the whole. footprint forward, closer to the road to be within 50 feet. They say they have a 50 foot, if you're over 50 feet, that the first entrance, the primary entrance to the residence piece has to be within 50 feet. Otherwise, then you have to have automatic sprinklers and things of those sorts. So we shifted that so far. That would be one thing that would change if they're saying it's too close to 50 feet, but we're basically, we think at this point, the door is within 50 feet. 49 feet basically, and some change compliant with that. So hopefully that's acceptable, but I didn't get a. direct thumbs up from them yet. And then the other big open question was getting some feedback from the building department on how do you calculate 900 square feet for a bi-ride ADU? So we got confirmation from Mike in the office earlier this week, how that works and it squares with what we have planned here. So I think we're generally good there. And based on that, yeah, we adjusted some of the dormers and things to match and make sure we were within the scope.
So that's the overview plot plan you can see there. Mostly it's shifted a little closer to the street to be within that 50 feet. You'll see that there's an actual stairwell, not a spiral staircase or anything back there. That was talking to the architect and the builder that that's the most straightforward thing, easiest for fire to approve and less things to consider and worry about there. So that's just the overall top view. Some more, this is pretty similar to what you saw before. I think maybe there's some refinements to the measurements, but it's kind of still roughly the same. Yeah, so what's notably different here that you see is you see the back staircase there. You'll see more details on kind of how we're approaching the trim there, but we're trying to model the same sort of. Thicker trim as you have on the rest of the house, the rest of the garage ADU there.
We didn't add it to go with a bigger balcony. We just made a landing. It's just, I mean, to be dressed basically there. And then, let's see, we added, you can see in the bottom left there, we added in what was basically the notional fence line to what you couldn't see from the other road anyway. So the AC units are there, but they would be out of view anyway. And the condensate lines are ready. They run into accidents that they didn't build. Yeah. Run an easy chase. Sure. Avoid places where the people will drill in later in 20 years and forget where they are. So we got that. I think the only other minor changes are there's three windows there in the larger dormer instead of four because we are trying to match sort of the constraints of the 900 square feet. I think now we know more. We could actually probably go back to four. because we're over-constraining the space based on what we learned. So it'd be good to talk about that to see if that would be acceptable or not. That would be one thing that we shrunk it down a little bit, which you'll see to be within 900. But I think we've got some space to explore that if that was OK.
Door placements are the same. Trim is all sort of generally the same there. There's just the internal layout had to change because The stairwell, and so we shifted things around, but that's all internal.
[Theresa Dupont]: Just out of curiosity, did you lose any features inside, or everything just kind of shrinks up?
[SPEAKER_06]: Everything just gets shrunk up, and having to add another door obviously takes away that whole space. You don't have just nice windows there. You've got to have a stairwell.
[SPEAKER_05]: OK.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thanks, John. I'm just curious. Mostly shrinking it up.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you can see there, the measurement is 899 square feet. Nicely done. But I think we think they're We're, I think, just like, we're the 1st, maybe the 1st build in the historic, like, the 1st new full build. We're also, I think, maybe the 1st standalone ADU. So, there's a lot of figuring out as we go with various departments. You did a beautiful job.
[Theresa Dupont]: I wear a historic presentation and housing hat, so this is very curious.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll see what it is. We'll see how long it takes to get it built. And then I think this is largely the same. I think what I changed in the language that you called out last time was just calling out, we'll go with Windows that deliberately, as it says, we'll have SDLs. However, they end up being, they'll be SDLs. Material-wise, I think probably just going to go with some sort of composite, either a vinyl or a fiberglass, probably the fiberglass, ideally, because it's harder to find, I think, all vinyl windows that actually have SDLs reliably. I think I've marked in the Anderson 100s, which have a fiberglass variant for this, but then the trim will be all CDR to match.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: So this is you right here?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so they have an STL there. Um, and then the doors, I think, um, you know, we'll go 1 of these 2 ways if we decide for security reasons, we want to just have a full steel glass door instead of something you can peer right into. We might want to go go with a solid solid door instead of windows, but that's that we removed at least for now. We took away the options that had some of the features and fixtures.
The handles turning handles for the doors that was called out last time. So, this is the 1 we sort of settled on for the time being, but I looked through all the rest of the other options. We have the other 2 options. All of that is easily adjustable. So there's a bunch of options for different types of the board, but they're all in the spirit of a carriage shop store. So this is sort of our running 1. so I would want to know if.
What what would be acceptable if we needed to deviate from that, or that's an easy thing to change later in theory, right? But I was just come back and say, we get this door versus that door instead, but it'd be nicer to have some. Reasonable ground rules if that's possible, but we necked it down to reduce the sort of uncertainty there. This is the same sort of like free sports and smooth, hardy, or similar sort of composite with the four-inch reveal.
Typical shingles to match what we've got. And so this is new here. So this is looking at kind of the makeup. This wouldn't have had a stairwell like this 150 years ago, 175 years ago, as it is. doing the best we can here with sort of trim that's at least matching what we can, but a good portion of this, as we said, would be not visible from the other street, only the things above that second landing, but mostly this is... It's a very limited view. Yeah, and driven by fire, right? We've got to have something that's wide enough and big enough.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: And then also, like, you'll know, because the railing system is purchased, we know that's going to... you know that that's going to meet the requirements of... Yeah. The strength requirements.
[SPEAKER_06]: Exactly. So there's that. And I think that's the last thing there. I think the only other major, major documents where I. But not a lot of space on the primary application. So I just added a 2nd sheet that kind of laid out some of the things that we're kind of calling out there. The windows will have, but maybe vinyl fiberglass or wood, but probably fiberglass and respect and Anderson 100 garage doors is the primary candidate, but. There is an alternative there that has a similar look and feel with a similar transom window. Similarly, the doors siding. Also, I think called out that we'll use the tracks or similar flooring for the stairs, but I don't even think you can really see that from the other road anyway.
That's that. Then for those who haven't seen it, let's see just the other pictures of what it looks like now and then with the mock-up. And then, yeah, there's the old parish house. One photo we could find of something from a neighbor that they gave us.
[Theresa Dupont]: I love that there's this kid that keeps having like their school portrait. Yeah, exactly. It's a very charming picture.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, I think this wouldn't be something that just calling out that. Yeah, if the interior changed doesn't matter as long as the window locations as long as the thing from the outside is.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it's not it's not what you can see through the window.
[SPEAKER_06]: It doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah. So, it just might be the purple expands a little bit. Can the mechanical spaces be made a little smaller? Because you can see there. They're right there at the edge, but the ruling from Mike in the office there was anything below six foot, seven or eight inches doesn't count towards the 900. And so now that we know that, it's more clear.
[Theresa Dupont]: You're teaching me stuff, thank you.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think they just made that decision a couple days ago. Agree to that as we go.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Excellent. Well, we should hear from anyone that's Comments from the public? Looks great.
[SPEAKER_06]: Anyone want to help put it together? I have a barn right now.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so let's... Roberta has her hand raised as well. Okay, Roberta.
[Roberta Cameron]: Thank you. I just wanted to observe that the rendering that you showed in that last image that you brought up does not have the trim on the front of the building that the sketch that you have on the screen right now has trim. So the trim is missing from that image. And so I just wanted to confirm, clarify that the trim will be in the design of the building.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it would be like this. I think this is our best shot of trying to have Gemini make something based on this.
[Roberta Cameron]: Yeah, understood. I just wanted to make sure that that was clear.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[Theresa Dupont]: Like a double freeze, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Yeah, kind of like what the house has. I guess you can see there the chunky trim between the floors.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: James, do you have other things for Berner, or should we go to James?
[Roberta Cameron]: I'm sorry, I didn't hear the last thing you just said.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Should we go to James, or did you have other comments that you wanted to make? Berner, you're all set? Yeah. OK. James, did you have any comments?
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_00]: No. I think it looks good. I like the way the final drawings have come out. This is absolutely nothing to do with the historic appearance of it, but I would simply mention on the back, with the stair on the back, you might want to think about making the landing, the upper landing on the back just a whisker bigger. So when someone opens the door and steps out, they have just a little more. If you look at elevation number three,
the top landing if it had just a little more space to the right, maybe like an extra tread if you adjusted the stairs. That might be a little more comfortable for somebody stepping out on that. But otherwise, like I said, that's for you to talk to your architect about. But otherwise, no, I think the architecture itself looks good.
[Unidentified]: Thank you.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Okay. Um, so on the, on the railing systems, um, I'm fine with that. And I like, I'm fine with saying, um, was similar, but with the, within that on the railing systems, if, if you can't use this one, I, I would prefer, um, like a concealed fastener, like, like some of the cheaper lines of vinyl railing systems have, you have like a collar that goes on. Okay. So because we're in the trying to keep historic and we're trying to you know, make it look like wood. Yeah. Just keep, keep to this one. Cause this, this one has a hidden fastener. Okay. Almost all of them have hidden fasteners, but then some of the lower lines don't, they haven't got a collar. So just stick with that. But this is fine. I'm fine with that. I'm just going to read the write up on my time.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. And I think the only other thing to mention, I guess it, um, the architect added it to, let me share again, you know, We added, because we had to add the door on the back, and then there's a window next to it, instead of having a very tiny door, you can see the transom added above. Let me bring that up, let's share. So you'll see that that was done in a few places too to also be consistent. So we would go with, whatever window that we could add, like, I know all people get the front of the house above our main front door, add a transom with similarly symmetric sort of spaced SDLs, probably. But let me bring that up so everyone can see it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Let's see, let's see. All right, let me see the best here.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's see, so yeah, we see just a sort of balance so that the door, you know, there's just a try to even it out, transom above, both doors, you can see that little transom. And then if you go to the back door, you can see that there too. I think that was new from last time too. Okay. So that would have SDLs to kind of match because you'll see that on our front door. It's very hard to see, but there's very ornate, but very thin ancient glass above there that has SDLs that match and kind of come down. That's nice. Yeah. Great. They break really easily.
[Theresa Dupont]: So I think that transom, you know, there's more later.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: I'm still looking at the search one more time. Did Casita show up?
[Theresa Dupont]: No, it has not responded. So I'm hoping everything's okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: France, Morocco came on right now. Ah.
[Theresa Dupont]: There's only a few games left now, right? Like the round, obviously the round gets, yeah. I've been trying to date it, but. So he's reading, just a quick question. I think I wrote down that you had questions about the garage door hardware, like the finals. Was that the one where you had some final section, like it came back?
[SPEAKER_06]: If it were to differ from this, I mean, the base that I was just going through, they have an infinite number of choices you can make, but we'd go with a transom like that, you know, kind of, But they had other hardware choices, which were just poles like that. I think the one bit of feedback I heard was, other than sort of subjective preference of, I like A versus C or C versus A, the designs were more like, yeah, don't have a lever.
And I think, yeah, I'd have to pull up the prior. I don't think it's a big deal.
[Theresa Dupont]: I just wanted to make sure that, you know, any questions you had were addressed before.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I think the biggest questions after people are done reviewing is whether or not a fire comes back and says, okay, if you need to slide it another foot or something, just to be not right on the edge of 50, that would be 1 thing. And then I think generally speaking, yeah, for windows and doors and things, little tweaks, little minor tweaks, but it's window with SDLs. That's okay. Door with or without glass is okay. A carriage house looking door like this with a transom that, you know, it's just manufacturer A versus B, is that acceptable?
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Okay. I'm fine with the write-up. Can we vote on this? Do we have a quorum?
[Theresa Dupont]: We definitely do have a quorum between you and James, yeah. Technically. All right. We have three members appointed to the commission and the majority is here.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Okay. James, how do we second that? You would second it. Okay.
[Unidentified]: Yeah.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: James, if you're comfortable with it, do you want to make a motion to accept this?
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_00]: Yes. Motion to accept this plan.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Okay. And I second that. James, you vote yes?
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: And I vote yes. So accepted.
[Theresa Dupont]: All right. So what will happen next is Joe and I will, I have a drafted, you need a certificate of the appropriateness to actually bring to the building department and everything. I have one drafted, so maybe Joe and I can look at it tomorrow, but I'm sure you want to take action on your building permit soon. So hopefully we'll expedite and try to get this out early next week to get that building permit released. Oh wait, you're traveling. Are you, is it tomorrow? I'll answer my phone. Okay, all right. Like I said, I have it drafted, so you can just say, yes, no, tweak that. So it'll be a quick call. Awesome. All right. Congratulations. Thank you for your patience through this process.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and I appreciate the help.
[Theresa Dupont]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And thanks for, uh, yeah.
[Theresa Dupont]: Thank you for, um, valiantly going through the ADU process in Medford right now. Yes. Thank you.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: All right. The next item on the agenda, it's 20 Hillside Ave. Do you mind presenting what you'd submit?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. We're restoring, I don't know if you remember what we had last, we're restoring 20 Hillside Ave, basically replaced the windows and we're doing a door on the side.
[Theresa Dupont]: That's right. So you have the application as well as the cut sheets. For those who have joined us online, they are in the meeting packet that we have. application as well as the cut sheets for both the windows that were replaced and the door. These windows were largely inoperable that were existing.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: And you did a substantial change in the heating system and everything. Upgrades, it was really necessary to have to do this.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, we had to do low on insulation. Sure, nothing low in here. Spray foam.
[Theresa Dupont]: Yeah. Closed cell or open cell?
[SPEAKER_07]: Closed cell. Some are, a little of both.
[Theresa Dupont]: Good for you. I priced up both recently.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's crazy. But a good cell. A closed cell is outrageous, but it's so important. If you need it, you have to have it. You have to have it in the open and all this, yes.
[Theresa Dupont]: And there were existing windows that had a mix of different type of, like, some were 3 over 2 and some were 2 over 4. So none of them were constructed.
[SPEAKER_07]: The only windows we left, they were some diamond-painted. Like stained glass ones? No, they were stained glass, but they're diamond-plated windows. the north side of the house and some on the third floor on the south side, and we left first.
[Theresa Dupont]: Are they in good working order? Yeah, yeah. Okay. All right. I know that was really the impetus of this project was windows weren't functioning, weren't consistent, and some were broken. Okay. And I think I did have some of the before pictures in the packet. Would that be helpful to bring them up on the screen, probably?
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we could pull the picture up of where the door was. Oh, I do have that one, yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, people online can see.
[Theresa Dupont]: So hopefully we're seeing some of the before pictures so you can see, I think like here's a, that one looks like a three over two, and then this one's a four over two.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: But here's that, what you were talking about with that. Okay. And do we have a picture of what the dual looks like now in that spot?
[SPEAKER_07]: It's still larger in that spot. we pulled it and covered it. So what's in that bag? It's shingled off now. Okay, so it's just a deleted area, so it's decided at that point? Correct. The neighbor on that side has some issues.
[Theresa Dupont]: With the property boundary?
[SPEAKER_07]: Right, so we've resolved that.
[Theresa Dupont]: So it was a window, was going to be a door, and now it's just shingled up.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Correct. Is that indicated in the?
[Theresa Dupont]: In the application? It's referenced, but door added to south side of house.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: So, but it's not really do I add it to that site? Is that so that window is deleted and that's just sign enough? Okay. We can, so we just need to change the application to reflect that work.
[Theresa Dupont]: Yeah.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: So we can say something like,
[Theresa Dupont]: Was that, what was the state of that window in particular that was? It was pretty bad. Okay.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Sounds like most of the windows were, yeah. We've approved window, like deleting windows because of changes to the interior layout. Was there a change to the interior layout? There was a change to the kitchen. Okay. So you needed a cabinet space or whatever? Correct. Okay.
[Theresa Dupont]: I recognize that Roberta has raised her hand.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: You can go ahead. The computer may be muted.
[Roberta Cameron]: Got it. Thank you. So understanding, acknowledging that I'm not a voting member today because I haven't been able to get my swearing in completed yet. despite a couple of efforts. But I just wanted to acknowledge my own feelings about this is that I would prefer, I would strongly prefer in a local historic district house to see original windows be repaired in every situation where at all possible. And I would not, have supported replacing the windows because they were inoperable, I think that they should have been repaired. At this point, seeing that the original windows no longer exist, we don't have any choice but to consider the alternative that's the best alternative that the proponent is proposing. And I am confused about the door. I hope that if I'm
a voting member at our next meeting that I'll have a clearer understanding of why this has been sided over instead of restoring the original condition with a window in this location. I can understand the need to install a door, but if the door is no longer needed, I don't understand why this has been changed into something altogether different instead of being returned to the, um, to the original design. Those are all my comments. Thank you. Thank you, Roberta.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Do we have any other public comments about this? Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: House looks fantastic. For windows, I live across the street. I can tell you those windows didn't work. The house was in a sad shape, and he's done a beautiful job, and it looks fantastic. So windows need to be changed for the 21st century.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: James, do you have any comments?
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_00]: The only question I have is, Is there a lot of work that has to be done to repair the white trim that's around the windows? That's going to be saved in some fashion, correct?
[SPEAKER_07]: It was all saved. Okay. And what had to be, that was rotted, was replaced. And you probably wouldn't be able to tell what was replaced other than it's new woodblocking. No, we restored it the best we could.
[Unidentified]: Okay.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Okay. So I think we need to, so on the application, we need to adjust the wording to.
[Theresa Dupont]: Would you accept just like a on the fly? Because I wrote down, this is a note, remove inoperable window, deleted window, and to replace with siding. Shingled up the siding.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Okay. I'm fine with, so we would have to, is there a way of sharing that with James so he can see it? Yes, give me, talk amongst yourselves.
[Theresa Dupont]: Talk amongst yourselves for a few moments.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: So the cause on that, to speak to what Roberta was saying, let's not put the cause being that the window was inoperable. Let's say that the cause was a change to interior layout that would not allow for a window to be installed in that spot. Is that correct? So on that wall, there's cabinetry or something that's going on, so you can't have a window at all. A stove? Okay. Yeah, you definitely can't. What kind of stove? Gas? Electric. That was recommended by the city. Okay. If it was gas, you definitely can't have a window there.
[Unidentified]: No.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: So you don't want to set a precedent of deleting windows to zip open?
[Theresa Dupont]: All right, I think I got something that'll satisfy over here. I'm going to try to make that bigger. What is my share button there? So under the description of work we have from the beginning, I'll read it. Replaced windows because they were inoperable with new windows with the same dimensions and pain separations or grow pattern. Tear sheets have been sent under a separate cover, which we have. Door added to south side of house. I should probably just go ahead and strike that.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, we're still, we're adding that door on the south side. That's the north side, so we pivoted to the back corner.
[Theresa Dupont]: Okay. So now there will be a door on the rear of the house.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's still the south side, so the rear would be west, but it's in the back corner. Is it viewable through the street? No, it's in the middle of some bushes. And then on that side of the house, So it's on the backside of that. Okay.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Let's pull it up and make sure that we're all set with that. Yes.
[Theresa Dupont]: I'm going to do this without losing. Good.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: So it's the south side, the right-hand side of the house. Oh, the left-hand side. See that taller bush?
[SPEAKER_07]: It's running back in that area there. Yeah.
[Theresa Dupont]: And I just realized I'm not sharing. So James and Roberta, I see you're not talking about all of these fences. OK, you should be seeing the street view. I wonder if I hop down. Do you think if I hop down, I might see it a little bit better? Nope. There it is. So it's on the back side of that. Yes. OK. So you have to be like standing on the roof of this house to really see it.
James and Roberta, is that? making sense to you guys about the location that we're talking about of the door.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_00]: Is it on that side of the house or is it on the rear end of the house?
[SPEAKER_07]: It's on the side and at the back corner of the house, probably a couple of feet in from the corner. So then it empties out behind still the bump of that side of the house.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_00]: And are you planning to put any sort of overhang or cover or anything like that over the landing and the stairs? No. Okay. Okay.
[Theresa Dupont]: I'm going to go back to this thing. Door added to south side of house. Are we saying not viewable from the public way for that? How would we want to? Partially obstructed from the view.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, obstructed from partially obstructed from public view. Shrubbery. By the, yeah, by the bump of this one. Yeah, by the bump of in Shrubbery.
[SPEAKER_05]: Physical.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, physical. There we go. Bump out in.
[Theresa Dupont]: So, all right, door added to the south side of the house, partially obstructed from public view due to physical bump out and shrubbery. South side rear window, and that's correct, right? South side, the rear window was removed. North side, because, right, thank you. See? North side rear window was removed to accommodate interior layout design, kitchen, and the exterior will be shingle-sided. Okay. James and Roberta, I just want to make sure you're seeing this and have received the edited application at this point.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_00]: Okay. You may also want to say exterior will be shingle-sided to match existing adjacent vertical surfaces.
[Theresa Dupont]: Existing, sorry, you said something right in there too.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_00]: What's that?
[Theresa Dupont]: You've got to match existing vertical.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_00]: Existing adjacent vertical surfaces. Thank you.
[Theresa Dupont]: All right, so we feel good. Are you okay with that Roberta?
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Are you okay with those changes to the application, Roberta? Do you have any comments on that?
[Frances Mitchell]: Yeah, that's clear.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Okay, let me just check the front page to make sure that's okay.
[Theresa Dupont]: And before we leave, I would love to get just your name and address for the record, since you are speaking in support of that. Won't do anything. It's just going to go on a record and into a file. Would it be OK if I just grab it now, please?
[SPEAKER_05]: I always like to get a paper. That means it's important. I believe, too. Thank you. Excuse me.
[Unidentified]: I'm Susan Wilson.
[SPEAKER_05]: Excellent.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: If everyone's okay with it, James, if you could make a motion to accept the certificate of appropriateness.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_00]: I make a motion to accept the certificate of appropriateness.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: I second that motion. James? Yes. Yes. And I vote yes. So it's accepted.
[Theresa Dupont]: Same thing as we told the previous applicant. I've got something drafted. Just need to confirm it with Joe, have him sign it, and then we can get your building permit on its merry merry way. We can move on to the next project. Thank you. Of course. Thank you very much for participating in the process, everybody.
[SPEAKER_07]: Thank you. Have a good night. You too.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: All right, so the next thing that we're going to do is the meeting minutes from June. Let me pull those up for folks.
[Theresa Dupont]: Wait, wait. I need to hit save. Give me one second, folks. I appreciate it. There it is. Looking for the save button because I can't find it. And I should have done this earlier while I'm doing some technical stuff, bringing up the meeting minutes. I think everybody knows I work for the planning department and the planning department usually gets a good group of interns. And we're joined by Kyla Branco, who's joining us in the planning department as our intern. Kyla, you don't have to turn on your camera and say hi if you don't want to, but Kyla has been very kind enough to help me with some meeting minutes. So big fan of Kyla.
[CAS00002540_SPEAKER_01]: Hi, everyone. Happy to be here and happy to help. And I've already learned a lot just from these past few meetings. So it's great.
[Theresa Dupont]: Great. Thanks for being here. All right, I'm going to bring up the minutes on the screen and share them so everybody can review. Okay. So this was for the June 18th meeting. I really like Tyler's structure to this. I think mine is a little bit more narrative. There's more structure here.
[Unidentified]: Bye.
[Frances Mitchell]: Recording in progress.
[Theresa Dupont]: I'm not sure if everybody got a chance to digest them. Are we back in Zoom? We are back in Zoom now. Hi, everybody. Nice to see you. There's everybody. So I can back up. I'm not sure when we lost, because I was just in here staring at myself. And I think when folks are ready, Joe, you're looking for a motion to accept the minutes?
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Leave it alone, I'm still reading. Okay, sorry. Bye bye. Slow reading. No, you're good. Very nicely done.
[CAS00002540_SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, Kyla. Of course, yes. OK, I'm glad everything looks good. And if it's more helpful to have a different structure, just let me know. Happy to make any changes or anything.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Great. Yeah, I'll pull the commission. I'm happy with it. James, are you happy with this style? Yeah.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. No, it's very thorough.
[CAS00002540_SPEAKER_01]: Cool. OK. Here to make your lives easier. Yay.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry. Roberta, you're OK with it as well. I'm sorry about that.
[Roberta Cameron]: Yes, thank you.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Okay. So do we want to make a, James, do you want to make a motion to accept these meeting minutes?
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_00]: I make a motion to accept the meeting minutes.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: I second that motion. We'll vote on it, James.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: I vote yes, so it's accepted. Excellent.
[Theresa Dupont]: I did have administrative updates on there. Great. So the only thing I had was, you know, considering if we don't have any applications, which right now I don't have any snifflings of potential applications in the wings. So if we don't have anything, I don't know if we wanted to take a break for August and enjoy our summer month without a meeting and then come back in September. But I leave that obviously to the board.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Okay. James, are you okay with taking August off?
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_00]: I have no issue with that.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: OK, Roberta, are you OK with taking August off? It's fine with me. And I'm fine with that, so.
[Theresa Dupont]: Great, so we won't have an August meeting, but we'll come back on September. I say it's the 9th. This will also give us some time to September 10th will be our next meeting, September 10th. This will give us some time to find a couple new members so that we can have a fully staffed board. If you're watching at home and you want to come join us, please go ahead and apply online. If you are a member of the board and have any friends, send them my way. We're happy to have some interest.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Great. But that's all I have on my end. James, did you have any administrative things that you wanted to speak of?
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_00]: Not that I can think of, no.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: OK. Roberta, did you have anything that you'd like to speak of?
[Roberta Cameron]: Nothing, thank you. I promise to be sworn in the next meeting.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no problem. Okay, great. Well, we're looking forward to it. I guess I don't have anything really either. So if James, if you want to make a motion to adjourn the meeting.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_00]: I make a motion to adjourn the meeting.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: I second that motion. James, do you want to vote on that?
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: I vote yes as well. So the meeting's adjourned.
[Theresa Dupont]: Thanks everyone. Enjoy your summer. Thank you.
[MCM00001828_SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[Unidentified]: Hi, that's very good.