[Theresa Dupont]: Well, the owl, for everybody who can hear me, we normally use a more robust camera. It decided to not work for me. So hello, everybody. I've ripped my webcam off my computer station upstairs. So we have something. So you just won't see me.
[Reggie Graham]: I think you should probably point to that, Roberta.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: It's pointed at me.
[Reggie Graham]: It is?
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Yeah, you're both up there.
[Theresa Dupont]: Okay, let me just make sure I have everything else in order, because I don't want us to delay any further. No, that's okay.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: I think it's nice to capture the whole table.
[Theresa Dupont]: Okay. All right. Over here. Apologies, folks. I appreciate your patience. Where are my participants? They're over here, so we can have that up for Roberta. to see everybody who's here, and I think we're good. So I'm going to go ahead and start the recording.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: All right. Calling. Recording in progress. Great. Thank you, everyone, for bearing with us. Technical difficulties. I'm calling to order the meeting of Medford's Community Preservation Committee, Tuesday, June 9, 2026, at 6.30 PM. We are meeting hybridly in Medford City Hall, room 201, and many of us are joining online. I will call the roll. In the room, I see Reg.
[Unidentified]: Present.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: And online, I see Joan. Present. Doug.
[Doug Carr]: Present.
[SPEAKER_07]: Losa. Present. Thank you. And I think I heard Ari. Present. And Jeremy.
[Unidentified]: I'm here.
[Theresa Dupont]: And that's it. We're waiting for Ada and Myesha. I'm here.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Oh, Myesha. Oh, you're under zoom user. Okay. Okay. Zoom user is Maisha. Or is that Ada? I didn't hear whose voice that was.
[SPEAKER_07]: Sorry, this is Ada. Okay. Okay.
[Theresa Dupont]: We infer Maisha.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Okay. Okay. Then the first item on our agenda today is a small grant application from the Unitarian Universalist Church, Osgoode House Gutter Restoration. And are you here to talk with us? Thank you. Would you like to come and join us? So the camera can possibly see you. I don't know if the camera will. Might just do some manual camera work here, you know. Okay. Thank you. Usually it's a very automated thing. So you can introduce yourself and share with us details about the project you're applying for.
[Theresa Dupont]: And I do have some photos. Do you want to go ahead and show those up now?
[Ammons]: Yeah, well, let me, I'll just say a word at the beginning. Unitarian Universalist Church is located on High Street at 141 and it owns the house at the corner of Powder House and High Street, that is the Osgood House, and it's a 1785 Georgian, you know, late Georgian or Federalist, building, which is in excellent condition. Thank you to a CPA grant a few years ago to do some major exterior work on the house. And we are back now because in the hope that we can get a grant to remedy some rot that has developed in the wooden gutters and to secure the edges of the storm windows where leakage is happening. So this is, I think, I hope you can see the picture here of the rot in the gutters and I think we even have one where the contractor has stuck his finger in. It's so spongy. I don't know if that one's here. I didn't put that one out. It's a little blurry. Yeah, it shows that it's crumbling where it's rotten. And we're asking for funding. to replace the wood gutters for historical accuracy.
And wood gutters are unfortunately very expensive nowadays. They're $35 a foot. and also to replace the crown molding under the wood gutters, which is also being affected by the leakage. The contractor that we have a proposal that we're very happy with has done other work for the church. namely on the exterior of the church itself, a recent major paint job, again, thanks to CPA and carpentry that was badly needed. So he's taken the pictures, clambered up on tall ladders to see the rot. And it's happening where the old wood gutters have to be pieced, and where they come to a seam has lost its tightness. And also, I guess you might have a question about how have they gotten in this condition when we had exterior work relatively recently done? And they should have been oiled with linseed oil every year to preserve woodcutters. You don't paint them, you need to oil them so the water can't go in. And somehow that information escaped us. So we want to remedy that and then take good care of them. And likewise, around the storm windows, you can see where they are separating from the wood and need to be tightened so that water can't get in. And this is some strange, bad, creaking metal top to the window frame, which should not have been done, and that will be replaced with the proper wood that it should have. That's what we're applying for. Again, we have lots of confidence in this contractor with whom we've worked before. He's done what he said he would do. He's done it well. He's done it in a timely fashion. And he and his crew are hard workers.
[Nathalie Janson]: Thank you.
[Ammons]: Oh, sorry. Go ahead. And the other thing that so this fits CPA historic preservation and two of the priorities of local history. This is a place that has held a lot of important local history and an important historic site. right in Medford Square. And in terms of how it benefits the community, should I just keep grappling on? It benefits the community because it is such a prominent historic building in the heart of Medford Square. And it's not been changed in the sense it doesn't have vinyl siding, it didn't get aluminum siding, it hasn't been architecturally changed. and it's been well preserved and rehabbed. So it's important for the landmark that it is, architecturally, in a prominent location, and it's also important for the history that it embodies. It was built in 1785 to be the home of Reverend David Osgood. He and his family lived there. He and his daughter, Lucy Osgood, important abolitionists in Medford. He spoke passionately from the pulpit about that. It later was the home of the Reverend Eugene Adams, who was a very visible and sometimes, to the powers that be, annoying activist in Medford, taking a stand for civil rights and for labor rights. Those were two major issues that he stood for. And the church continues today and its commitment to the community and to social justice issues in its support for immigrant rights and its advocacy for LGBTQ rights and a number of other things, as well as serving the community as a location that is available for 12-step programs, people to rent, free events that we've sponsored for the community. So we believe it's really important to Medford to have the Osgoode House in good shape for future generations.
[Katherine Buckingham]: Thank you. Are there questions from committee members?
[Ari Fishman]: Yes. Oh, Joan put up her hand.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: Oh, you spoke for us. All right, go ahead.
[Ari Fishman]: If the wooden window siding is oiled with linseed oil per instructions, how long is it expected to last in good condition?
[Ammons]: Yes. Actually, it's the wood gutters. The interior would be oiled. The exterior will be primed and painted. And every year we will need to do that upkeep to have this contractor come back or someone come back, be sure the gutters are clean, re-oil them, and that they'll last a long time with that proper upkeep.
[Ari Fishman]: What does a long time mean? Are we talking like... 10 years, 50 years, 100 years, it sounds like the current version has not lasted a very long time. So I'm trying to get a sense of scale for the amount of money.
[Ammons]: I don't know the answer to that. New England can have harsh winters and so forth, but a significant amount of time.
[Ari Fishman]: OK, thank you.
[Theresa Dupont]: It sounds like this is the standard treatment for wood gutters.
[Reggie Graham]: It is. We have woodcutters. My grandfather used to do it every year. He used to paint the inside of the gutters. I can only speak for the years I was around. I think he probably did that every year, but only for my first 10 years. But I know that they have been there for a long time. I would say at least 30 years.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: Yes, so I love the Oglet House. It's a beautiful example of our local history right in the heart of Medford Square and I was one of the big supporters of it getting its paint job and repairs on the outside because it really looked tired and now it looks alive. love that you're continuing to take a look at it and restore it. My concern, my question is that small grants are up to $10,000 for a total cost of $20,000 and you've asked for $11,000. So that's above our limit for small grants and wondering if you can change it to $10,000 and make up the difference.
[Ammons]: proposal came through between the gutters and the windows at 10, 8,800 for the gutter work and crown molding, and then the remainder, the 1,200 for the storm window work. That was without, I didn't say to the contractor, I'm applying for a $10,000 grant. He had no idea what I said, we're hoping to get a small grant. And then and yes, we could do 10,000 we would have no. no leeway at all. And in a job like this, given the fact that rot, there's visible rot, there's a chance that when the gutters come off, there'll be some rot that is actually needs to be remedied under it before you put a new gutter back on. So that's why we asked for $11,000 to give us a little bit of a cushion. If we don't need to use it, we won't. But if we do, we figured it'd be good rather than coming back again just to talk about that.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: So I would ask the chair if that is possible. Our rules state that small grants are $10,000. So understanding that it could run over and why you've asked for $11,000. But I kind of don't want to set a precedent. But I'd like to hear others' comments.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: I'll get some thought, and I'll respond after we have discussion.
[Doug Carr]: Yeah, I was just looking at the Secretary of Interior Standards, and I saw the photos, but there is some leeway in here if the feature is failing. And I just forwarded you the texts, Roberta and Teresa. saying that if it's not a character-defining feature, and I asked specifically about wooden gutters, and they say, you know, if the outside looks the same because we have that trim molding, they do allow it under some conditions to be not wood, which would obviously be much better on the maintenance because, you know, standing a wood gutter every year is an awful high bar for maintenance, being up in the air, like that, and I just wondered if it might be worth pausing and pursuing here, because the trim moldings that give you the exterior, are they, this is a question to the proponent, are they literally concealing that entire gutter or not? I could not tell that from the photo.
[Ammons]: The trim molding will not be wood, because it will be primed and painted and no one will ever know the difference. Our plan is to have it be wood and to replace the whole thing and do it properly because where it seemed the rot has occurred. I guess you could then cut sections out and then have even more seams. It seems better to have as few seams as possible and start over and do it right and do the right maintenance.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: I was actually going to concur with that comment that it may be worth considering a different material besides wood. I understand I'm just beginning myself to learn about materials used in historic buildings, but I've seen situations in which, particularly buildings of this era that might not have had gutters to begin with, whether they were wood or otherwise, of replacing wood gutters with a material that resembles wood, but doesn't have the maintenance issue that wood has. And that that wood, as Doug suggested, be compliant with the Secretary of Interior standards and be more long lasting and not have the steep maintenance requirement. Gutters in particular are a very unforgiving steep maintenance requirement for old buildings and it may not be worthwhile replicating wood in this instance. Did you have more to add, Deb?
[Doug Carr]: Just a little bit. I mean, since replacing wood gutters with metal gutters can be acceptable under the rehabilitation clause, only if the wood gutters are generally beyond repair, which it sounds like they are, replacement matches the profile, appearance, and visual character of the original wood gutters, and the gutters are not so prominent. a prominent and the character defining feature so that any, you know, if the gutters are concealed, then then what you know that if behind wood trim or whatever kind of trim, it seems like they will be a candidate to actually just replace the gutters with something that is obviously metal. And I would just add that the the flashing the metal flashing over the top of the of the window header trim. I think if you just put back wood and you don't put any protection on that wood, that will not last more than 10 winters in New England. I think the Secretaries of the Interior Standards does allow for kind of common sense maintenance. They wouldn't have had that flashing back in the 18th century. But adding a little piece of colored metal that matches the material color of the wood below, but is metal, will protect that wood for 30 or 40 years versus potentially less than 10. So I think there's some, I guess I think there's a little bit of wiggle room here, and it might be worth looking at savings. It could cost less. Per Jones' comment, maybe it's not $10,000 if we if we shift gears, but I don't have the full scope because I don't know the length of gutter. I don't know if you're replacing all the gutter or just the rotted parts. You know, there's some details I'm not really familiar with. So I'm hesitant to make a decision based on what I've heard so far.
[Ammons]: Number one, we're not tied to wood gutter as long as it looks historic.
[Unidentified]: So what we
[Ammons]: of gutter up there that sticks out like a sore thumb. So if you or someone else has a reference to you know, gutters made out of some other product that once you prime and paint them, they look perfectly good. They look like wood. That's great by us. Like I said, for the crown molding, we did not plan to do wood because we figured nobody would know the difference as long as it looks like wood.
[nzT0OcLHmhc_SPEAKER_03]: Great.
[Ammons]: We can look into that or if you have a concrete suggestion, that's good too.
[Doug Carr]: What is the crown molding material if it's not wood?
[Theresa Dupont]: PVC. PVC, yes.
[Doug Carr]: But that's visible from the outside, right?
[Theresa Dupont]: Uh-huh.
[Doug Carr]: That's, see, I guess, I think you have it reversed because the Secretary of Interior and Standards requires that wherever possible, you use original materials so that I think the PVC is actually not encouraged or even allowed by the interior standards, but the wood cutter behind it would be metal because you can't see it, if I'm correct in that statement. I think it's actually reversed.
[Ammons]: The gutter is above the flashing. When you stand and look up, you'll see the, not flashing, see the, this is at the back. There are two sections at the back of the house, and that has the metal flashing. And that's actually hard to see from the street. But it's the front of the building, and I don't know if you, Teresa, kept one of the, pictures of the front of the building where the crown molding is very visible. You see that and then you see the gutter above it.
[Reggie Graham]: Okay.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Another material that I think is used sometimes for circumstances like this would be fiberglass gutters, but I'm also, so can you remind me, is this building in the local historic district?
[Ammons]: Yeah, no, no, but it is on the register. That's one reason that we thought we needed to be purists.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Yes. So if it was going to be in the local historic district, then I know that you would need to have approval by the Historic District Commission. No, it's not. OK. But it would be helpful, I think, for us to be able to make sure that what's being proposed is A, consistent with the Secretary of Interior standards, and B, is the most economical solution that is consistent with the Secretary of Interior standards. Well, the wood was proposed because it is.
It may not be the most... It is in conformity. Yeah, well, the wood is in conformity, but I don't know if the PVC is in conformity. And the wood may not be the most economical option. There may be a more economical option that's consistent with Secretary of Interior standards. So I think it would be worthwhile to see if we can, if you can get some more information and come back to us next month to review the budget again after exploring these options.
[Doug Carr]: I think what we need is a profile of the gutter and a profile of what is now, I believe, the PVC molding that's below the gutter. It was hard for me to see the photo, but I think There's probably a drawing in your archives. You have decent drawings of the house from what I recall. And I think there might be something there. If not, I think the contractor can get up there with a tape measure and kind of like figure out what the various profiles are. Because getting a non-wood gutter that matches the profile might be possible.
It's certainly way cheaper, but I think the standards would require that the PVC be replaced by wood if we're going to replace it, if we need to replace it. If we don't, we leave it as is. But if we replace it, we have to use wood. That's pretty clear from the standards that I just read. And I forward it again to Roberta and Teresa. We can follow up on this. I think getting a 10,000 grant is going to happen. It's just a question of some of these details. That's my personal opinion.
[Ammons]: And Teresa, do you have pictures in the front of the house that shows the crown molding and the gutter?
[Theresa Dupont]: And there's a lot of movies that got sent over. Just to clarify, Doug, the existing crown molding, everything that is there is wood right now. The pitch was to replace the crown molding with PVC. But everything that is existing today is wood material.
[Doug Carr]: Then the Secretary of Standards would say replace it with wood, because you can.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: And I would also wonder whether if the gutters were replaced with fiberglass or metal. if the crown molding would stand up better because the wooden crown molding would not be as vulnerable to rot because it wouldn't be exposed to the wooden gutter?
[Ammons]: Well, if the wooden gutter was properly maintained, it would preserve the crown molding. But if the crown molding's not wood, it's mute. Well, I'll come back.
[Theresa Dupont]: Thanks for putting that together. Thank you.
[Unidentified]: OK, bye-bye.
[Theresa Dupont]: All right. Thanks, Liz. OK. I'll help guide her through the Secretary of Standards and see what we can find there for material. Thank you for doing all that due diligence, Doug.
[Doug Carr]: That's just my good friend, Claude.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Thank you. So next on the agenda. Do we have to do anything official to table that? No, I don't think so. She'll come back next month.
[Doug Carr]: OK. Just one quick comment. Roberta, I think I imagine, given the history of this committee, that the support is there for this project. It's just the details, right? The $10,000, I agree with Joan. But if we have the money, I feel like it's probably going to happen. I had to guess, you know, we've been real supporters of this. I don't know why we wouldn't, but I would entertain other opinions.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: I want to acknowledge that we are a different committee now than we were when we supported the building before. And those, you know, I, for one, wholeheartedly supported it the first time we gave funding for this building. Yeah, I encourage them to come back with another iteration of this plan. Yeah, I'll work with them to see how I can help. And it is a question that I think all of us as a committee would need to discuss Joan's question of how we would handle a request that is above the guidelines for a small grant to not set a precedent for applications. It may be that Because of the escalation of costs, we need to consider increasing our threshold for small grant program, but increasing that threshold on a case-by-case basis I think is harder for us to support than to continue, than to increase it, maybe it's something to put on the agenda for next month to discuss whether we want to change the guidelines for a small grant, but this project- Point of information, we already changed the grant guidelines for small grants.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: It used to be 5,000, now it's 10,000, so we did double it. And I think that one of the things that we've always said around CPA is don't bring just your request bring some skin in the game. When I asked for $1,000, I was not told that they would just provide it. So that doesn't sit well with me either. That's a good point. Doug?
[Doug Carr]: And as the proponent mentioned, contingency for historic buildings should be 20% minimum. That's a standard. We've encountered that so many times at the Shepherd Brooks Manor and other historic buildings. You just can't go in there with on the button dollars. You'll never make it. There's always something they'll find.
[Ari Fishman]: Yeah. Yeah, I and agreement, I support the overall project. I think the details are not there. And in terms of, I think 1 of the benefits of hopefully getting some lower cost materials is seeing if we can get this project in. With a contingency at our threshold, but I feel like once you're past 10,000 dollars, and that's only with a 10% contingency, if they're not able to put up. $2,000, I think that has, we might have to talk about moving that to the full cycle. I know that messes up with timing and an argument could be made for it being an emergency before to get it done in this construction season. But I think overall, that's starting to get pretty messy.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: The small grant was never, it's always a rolling thing, happens all year round. Off-cycle is different. You know, that's a larger project that has a specific reason why it's off-cycle, why it's not coming in during the normal cycle. And it's usually related to something that is outside of the control of the applying party that will impact or otherwise, you know, cause harm or something. We're about to talk about another one that I have very similar questions on.
[Ari Fishman]: Yeah, and if they're absolutely unable to make it work under 10,000, maybe it's an off-cycle instead of a small grant, but I am inclined to stick pretty close to that because it is already a very large amount and I don't want us to kind of lose the meaning of small grants. Right.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Appreciate all of your input on that. Let's move to the next item on the agenda, which is an off-cycle application from the Royal House and Slave Quarters. for Emergency Historic Perimeter Wall Restoration. And I think that I saw at least one person. Hello, Kira, from the Royal House, joining us this evening, and Alex. So please introduce yourselves and share with us the information about your application.
[nzT0OcLHmhc_SPEAKER_03]: Hi, Roberta. Alex is heading up the project, so I'm going to let him explain. And if I need to jump in, I will.
[SPEAKER_10]: All right. Thank you, Kiara. Hello, everyone. It's nice to be here. Thank you for seeing our application. So my name is Alex Hughes. I'm the building manager at the Royal House and Slave Quarters. So our application that we sent in is for an emergency off-cycle grant. This is because it was brought to our attention not too long ago that some of our neighbors to in particular said that there was a lot of damage to their side of the brick wall that surrounds the royal house and safe quarters around 15 George street. This damage consists of in particular. one side of the wall bowing out or bowing out due to water damage it's starting to form a bit of a belly actually and on the other side of the wall there's severe mortar and brick damage part of a pillar actually could be pulled out if you really tried to move it and so on our side of the wall it was also pointed out by a mason who we had come on site to evaluate all this from murray masonry up in peabody that a lot of the lead flashing has come undone. This is causing more water damage on our side of the property. He's actually pointed out several instances where you could see moisture coming in. And as we all know, winters in New England with a thaw and freeze cycle, he said this will continue to worsen and get problematic over time. The real safety concern here is the fact that one of our neighbors, the one that has the wall that is quite literally pushing out and it may have been hard to see in the pictures we submitted, but it is pushing out quite a bit has a small infant on the property and they have concerns, big concerns saying we do not feel safe walking around this wall. This is a danger and we want this to be addressed. We are the stewards, the owners of the wall, and we wanted to take swift action to get this grant in to say, we need some help getting this work done. The Mason stressed that this is a project that cannot be postponed over months, years, and et cetera. So this has to get done now because the wall helps preserve the historical importance of the site. also creates privacy and we want to make sure that the neighbors feel safe walking around their side of the wall. The pictures really showcase this with that mortar missing, again the water damage. So that is where we are right now. This project, if we get the funding, this could be done within two months this summer. so it's a project that is very doable. The masons, we have worked with them before. They helped us with some other brick work on the property. They are skilled in historic preservation, and so they have the right materials and methods to get this done swiftly and cost effectively, as well as ensuring that this wall will stay with us for another century or more. And we really want to address the public safety concern that the neighbors have raised. They're wonderful people. They have good relations with us. And we want to tell them that we are going to address this, particularly the family with the small infant, because they said, we do not want to go near the wall because it's clearly needs some work. So that is our application. And that is where we are right now.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Thank you very much. Questions from committee members. You've done such a great job of explaining the project that you're carrying out. I have a question that could maybe just kick off a little bit and see if others can think of more. And my question is, how long has this wall been around the property? What is the actual historic origin of the wall itself?
[SPEAKER_10]: Yes. So the wall comes from around the turn of the late 19th into the early 20th century. And we actually know a lot of these bricks are historic to the area itself. They're local. And so we wanted to ensure that this preservation work establishes and ensures that this brick and old mortar is not going to be damaged even further. The Masons actually said that they've seen very similar brickwork and mortar work in places like Salem and Boston, where they've done other projects like this. So they said that the old mortar is not able to sustain our environment today with the heat, the freezing and thaw cycles. So they said that this historic brick work is important to keep because the only way to get rid of it would be and fix it is to redo the whole wall. And that, of course, would be a really, really big project. So the historical significance is that it's from the late 19th, early 20th century. Those bricks are local to the Medford area, and they also help us preserve that space. So this is why the Mason said fixing these small sections is the best way to preserve it so that we don't have to go even further with creating a whole new wall, which we know that would be to the standards of the Secretary of the Interior. We know that that's a bit of a more complicated process to redo the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_07]: Thank you. Doug.
[Doug Carr]: Yes. Thank you, Roberta. I think this this reminds me to a lesser degree, because we got an application from the city of Medford for the Salem Street burial grounds, the wall around that. built that enclosure, that property. And I think the only, I agree with, there's a couple of things that we brought up at that thing that I think would apply here. One is the right historic mortar, color, material, the profile of it, and the joint pattern too, whether it's convex, concave, angles, whatever it was historically at the turn of the century. So that it's truly a, it's not just repair, but it's a restoration. Which is I know what your intent, so I think those are details. It sounds like I actually think Maury Masonry has done some work at in Medford on historic buildings, not just at your property, but I think. He may have done some of the stonewall work at the Brooks Estate, and maybe along Grove Street, and maybe even the slave wall, I'm not sure, but possibly. But I know at least one of them he did. So I have faith in this contractor, that's not an issue. But I think more about the specifications and the details, just making sure that we have, you know, what would have been the right mortar, because we did this At the Shipper Books Manor, we had to get someone out there to really understand that it was a pink color, and it was a profile that almost was trying to match the brick. That was the style in 1880. This is different. But what was it? Do we know if there's an original part of this wall that potentially has the same mortar from 130 years ago, or has it all been replaced a couple of times since then? These are just kind of common sense questions that I'm sure there are good answers to, but I don't have them, obviously.
And the other point is that if the building, if it's more than, if the wall is starting to bow and be structurally unsound, that's beyond repointing, right? That to me is, there's probably an element of rebuilding of some small portions of this wall. And I haven't had a chance to look at the details of this project, but I think, you know, that I presume that's buried in here somewhere in the information. Is there an actual drawing? Because I didn't actually see it. Sorry.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yes. If you scroll through some of the pictures, you can see the movement of the brick pointing out from the wall. And in that situation, that actually would require having to redo that section. So it's beyond repointing. And the mason made that very clear that it's two neighbors, A and B. Neighbor B is repointing because he said that that's something that they can easily fix right away. The neighbor A, which is the part that's bowing out a little bit, bowing out, that's the part that he said we would have to do the V-shape repair to actually get in there and fix it. That would be actually redoing that brickwork versus the other one is repointing. Ours on our side, because it's three pieces, would be just handling. It's right there in that picture, right there. You can see that pushing out of the wall. That would be redone entirely. Ours is just redoing the lead T flashing on the top.
[Doug Carr]: Yeah, I know the flashing is really important. I couldn't agree more than that. That's that's that protects the whole wall and it's it's it probably wasn't done originally or maybe it was but it was I doubt it.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yes, yes. We, it has not been handled in a long time according to the Mason's assessment. And we also know sometimes people would fix it on their own, but this is because it's actually all the way around the wall itself. He said that this, you know, has not been addressed in a while and we got to fix this now. Cause he said also in some areas you can see the moisture building up actually. And that older mortar and brick, as you were saying is, is tough to handle in this climate just with the way the weather is nowadays.
[Doug Carr]: Yep. All right. Thank you. Those are my questions.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Thank you. One moment, John. As Doug was pointing out, the previous picture, right there. As Doug was pointing out, it's really important the style and color of the mortar that's used. It looks as though this wall has had patches in the past that were not Expertly selected to match the original, so we'd like to see with CPA funding that the areas that you address are more well matched than some of these areas that have been patched in the past.
[SPEAKER_10]: Absolutely. The mason from Murray Masonry said that they will do that. The thing that we have been learning is that neighbors throughout the centuries that this wall has been there would just do it by themselves. So that's why some of it looks different in certain sections and then they would not tell the museum we fixed this side or we redid it use different mortar so the mason said that they will do absolutely everything in their abilities to match the original style and the other sections that that's the way it used to look so they will do that here to ensure it's the uniformity around the wall on our side and their side.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: Thank you. Jack? My question is around the budget page. And I always try to match what's typed in with attached quotes. And I don't see the matching. I see something for $16,000. I see something for $6,000. But you're asking for $38,000, which I know includes contingency, et cetera. But the construction cost says $32,000 for Murray. And I'm only seeing $22,000. What am I missing?
[SPEAKER_10]: So it should be the three estimates the 16,000 for the lead flashing. That's one of them right there the 10,000 54 I don't see where's 10,000 50 Should be even actually cut off on that page because it was the second estimate right there was a full copy of that Yes, yes, we can. Yes, that estimate is 10,050. that's for the section that's pushing out. So that's the 2nd, most expensive. And then the 6,000 is for the repointing on the other part of the neighbor's side of the wall.
So that's where the 3250 comes from.
[Theresa Dupont]: And Joan, that may have been an issue on my end when I was combining all of these, rather than sending you all a bunch of different attachments. That may have been a formatting issue on my end.
[Doug Carr]: No worries. Doug? Just a follow-up question about the, you said the lead flashing. Are they still using lead on these type of old brick walls? I thought that was kind of environmentally a no-no these days.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's a newer version of the older style, he said. It's the most protective one because we were talking about alternatives and he said that this newer version that they are using is not the same environmentally challenging one they used before. This is the version that now will actually last much longer because he said other alternatives only will give you 10, 20 years. This newer version of the LED flashing will give you at least 60, 70 or more years actually, closer to maybe even a century.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: actually lead, Alex, because you get an infant on one side of that brick wall that, you know, you can't even put lead paint in a house with little kids.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right, right.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: Always my question coming up next.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yes. Yes, there is some lead in it, but it's not toxic. It's a very small amount. It's just to fill in the crack between the two slabs on the top. It's not going to be in the rest of the wall. And this is the only material that they can use that safely ensures that there's no more water damage. all other alternatives will not last enough time to give us the proper water protection that we need. He also stressed that, yes, lead sounds bad, but this is not the same high concentration of lead. It is the one that they've been using on all other historic sites that the public visits and people are always around. They have the right material to ensure that this is not harmful to anybody.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: Is the amount of lead within acceptable limits for you know, children under whatever the age is in the room. That's what I think we need to, because if you've got a parent complaining that they don't want their little infant walking near a brick wall, they're not going to be happy to know that there's lead there either. And then we'll be back pulling it out because it's toxic or something.
[SPEAKER_10]: From what we know from what the Mason said, that yes, it's perfectly safe to be around. It's not going to cause any harm to anyone.
[Ari Fishman]: Can you confirm that it's not going to leach into the ground? Because I know there's a lot of folks gardening there, and I think I actually know who this family is. And you know, there's kids running around, there's gardening happening, that's going to be pulling up any offshoot. And I know that the safety of building materials has dramatically increased, but lead is something that we really need to not mess around with. So I would also love to hear a little more about the safety profile here.
[SPEAKER_10]: I can reach out to the Masons and have them write a report and send it to Teresa on that.
[Ari Fishman]: Thank you.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Any other questions or comments?
[Losa Julie Genevieve]: Hi, thank you. My question is, I know I'm not a builder of construction, but in the V-shape that you were explaining, when they're removing the V-shape, are they going to also take away some of the, how would I say, how would you ensure that whatever's there is going to align and stay safely with what you're removing without breaking anything else?
[SPEAKER_10]: Absolutely. Murray Masonry has handled other walls like this where they know the right skills and materials to use so that they're not going to damage other sections. The way he described it is that they would carve out what they need to, and they will put fastened and safety parameters around the other sections. They actually have the methods for holding the other bricks in place, and that then, because this will not go on to our side of the wall, They're not going to be punching a hole through the wall or anything like that. They're just going to be carving out those bricks, getting rid of the mortar itself, and then replacing those bricks right there. He said they've done a project very recent to this one where they had to cut out that V-shape and they have the means to keep it in place. We did not get into the technicality of all that, but they have done this before so that this is not going to turn into the whole wall is now crumbling underneath us. They've done this many, many times in other historic locations.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Thank you. Would any committee members want to make a motion to make a recommendation for funding for this project? Or do we need to have additional information before we can make a decision?
[Ari Fishman]: I think I would be open to a motion to pass it with the number of conditions that can be resolved administratively via Teresa. How do other people feel about that? Kind of confirming that the answer to the questions we discussed is the answer we want. We're hoping.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: Yeah, I envision this child growing up and climbing that wall and then coming back and suing the city for having lead on top of a wall. So, you know. Dad?
[Doug Carr]: I concur with Ari. I think we could approve the dollars necessary with conditions and Teresa could follow through on some of the detail side. The answer about the lead, it's obviously not the same lead or lead-coated copper that was prevalent only less than 20 years ago, even 30. Those days are long gone. This is a different system, a different material. I don't have the same fear that I do, even for lead paint, than I do for this material.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Thank you. Would anyone like to take a crack at composing condition regarding the safety of the materials on the wall? I did start. OK. Teresa, do you want to share the recommendation we want to draft? Sure do.
[Ammons]: Let me just share it for the same.
[Theresa Dupont]: So here's people in the room can see it. Everybody should be seeing a Word document funding recommendation decision. So I put the applicant shall provide a technical report on the lead flashing material used during the restoration.
[Ari Fishman]: And we want to confirm the safety related to direct contact flaking And other small pieces and water runoff into the ground. Thinking about, we had to get our house deleted and kind of the different avenues that they describe, particularly being dangerous to children.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: That all of it is within acceptable levels. Yes.
[Ari Fishman]: Do we need to name what the acceptable limits are or just trust or whatever the norms are and legal limits? I'm fine with that.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: Isn't that something that is set by the state? I think so.
[Doug Carr]: I believe yes.
[Reggie Graham]: Reg? So if it's not lead, is it some other material? I mean, I understand it's called lead, But over the years, we've learned that lead is poisonous, et cetera, et cetera. And they've reduced the amount of whatever poison elements are isn't really lead. That's the question. I'm not a construction guy.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: I think it is. It's just within acceptable levels. They've reduced it enough so that your contact with it wouldn't have the same effect as if it was in a higher concentration. So, but those are set by standards set by the state. I'm sure Murray has information on this. They would have been out of business a long time ago if they were using stuff that was detrimental to people. So, I have to think they have information on this.
[Ari Fishman]: Yeah, I'm sure that they can answer that. I think the word safety should be before a technical report on the safety of the lead flashing material. And I think it's also worth naming that it's the state standards for the presence of young children because there are different standards depending on the age of people in contact with it.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: And the technical report on the safety of the landflash. Jeff.
[Doug Carr]: Yeah, just I think adding some language about what the actual makeup in this doesn't have to be in the conditions maybe, but we want to make sure that 30 years from now, when they're repointing this wall, they know what was done. You know, what was the color? What was the mortar? What was the profile? That stuff gets lost pretty easily over time. So having it in as many places as possible, it could be here, but at least somewhere in the city's record and obviously the Royal House record so that that continuity can be followed in the future.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: So provide a record of the
[Theresa Dupont]: The specific.
[Doug Carr]: The mortar mix color and profile.
[Theresa Dupont]: Do we want to copy what we, the condition that we put on the armory for them to go to the historical commission to approve the mortar mix color? That's what we did with the armory for their repointing of their building.
[Doug Carr]: That's funny, I don't remember them doing that, but that's okay.
[Ari Fishman]: Do we have any concerns about the timeline? I don't know how often the historical commission meets and it sounds like this needs to get going real fast.
[Doug Carr]: I'm actually not worried about it as long as it's documented and it's clear what it was and matching what it was. That's just for the record. We don't need to approve it as long as you agree.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Actually, this is the building that's under a preservation restriction. Is that through the Mass Historical Commission?
[Theresa Dupont]: I was just curious. Is that held by the Mass Historical Commission or is that Historic New England that holds your preservation?
[nzT0OcLHmhc_SPEAKER_03]: It's the Mass Historical Commission.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: So they would need to approve whatever. So where we didn't have that level of review for the armory, we can trust the Mass Historical Commission as providing a review of the materials so that they approve what's being done and also preserve a record for next time.
[Reggie Graham]: Agreed.
[Ari Fishman]: Also, I realized we didn't actually say this explicitly, but this project is so obviously exactly in our parameters that I just jumped straight into the details, but I am in absolute support. And this is entirely figuring out, you know, how to do it right. In case that's helpful to say explicitly.
[Theresa Dupont]: Yep. How do we feel about that? Applicant will ensure that the Massachusetts Historical Commission, as the holder of the preservation restriction on the property, approves the restoration project, including the mortar mix, color, and profile. Period. Yeah. Yeah. I was Frankenstein-ing something I wrote. One of my favorite things, editing on the fly while everybody's staring. Here we go. What do we think about that?
[Doug Carr]: Looks good.
[Theresa Dupont]: I think it's good. Go ahead. One quick thing. Who are they providing the technical report on the safety of the lead flashing? To me? To you, and you can share that with the committee. Got it. Just wanted to go back to you.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: OK. With that, would anyone like to make a motion to recommend funding or this project as requested with these conditions.
[Ari Fishman]: So moved. Second. All right, I will call the roll. Reg?
[Reggie Graham]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: Joan?
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Yes. Doug?
[Reggie Graham]: Yes.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Loisa? Yes. Ari? Yes. Jeremy?
[Doug Carr]: Yes.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: And Ada? Yes. And I assume that we do not have Maisha.
[SPEAKER_07]: No.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: OK. We have you, Roberta. And myself, yes. Thank you all. Thank you very much for the application.
[nzT0OcLHmhc_SPEAKER_03]: Thank you all so much. We really appreciate it. And we'll follow up with all of those materials for you.
[Theresa Dupont]: Alex, we'll be in touch, my friend. Thank you.
[Reggie Graham]: Thank you.
[Unidentified]: Okay. All right.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Well, moved on to the next item on the agenda. I believe that I saw representatives from the Affordable Housing Trust here to provide us with an update of what the Affordable Housing Trust is doing.
[Katherine Buckingham]: Yeah, hi, I'm Catherine Buckingham. I staff the trust and we also have Lisa Ann Davidson with us. She's the chair. If it's okay, I can share my screen. I have a presentation.
[Theresa Dupont]: Perfect. Just maybe a co-host you should be able to share.
[Katherine Buckingham]: Perfect.
[SPEAKER_07]: It looks beautiful.
[Katherine Buckingham]: Great. OK. Is that enlarged for everyone? It is. So this is an update from our FY26 funding report, just letting you all know what we've been up to. As a quick overview, this is our board of trustees. We have Mayor Breanna Lungo-Koehn, our chair Lisa Ann Davidson, who's with us, Vice Chair Penelope Taylor, Kayla Lassen, Carrie Weaver, Teta DeRosa, and Roberta Cameron, who has been wonderful on our board, is not going to be reappointed, so we are in the process of finding someone who can attempt to fill her shoes, although that's not possible.
Here's sort of a timeline of our accomplishments in the first year and a half. As a refresher, the trust is only a year and a half. In March of 2023, there was an ordinance adopted to establish the Affordable Housing Trust Fund. Then in September of 2024, the Affordable Housing Trust was stood up, they started putting together a draft action plan outline to lay out what the goals would be after the trustees were appointed. And then in that fall and into the winter of 2024, 2025, they convened stakeholder focus group sessions to get input on this action plan, which, again, is sort of like the strategic vision of what the trust hopes to work on.
In January 2025, the Declaration of Trust was recorded with the Registry of Deeds. In spring of last year, there was a community survey and community meeting to get additional input. In May of last year, they issued the first NOFA for affordable housing development projects. No one actually applied to that, although shortly thereafter, we did get interest from Medford Community Housing. We approved our first loan to Medford Community Housing in the fall of last year. We concurrently finalized our action plan, presented that to city council. And in the winter into the spring of this year, Medford Community Housing came back and asked for a second loan, which the board voted to approve. And I'll talk more about that project in a second, by the way. And now at this point, we're looking to the future. We're planning a fundraising resource fair for the fall, an event where we will raise awareness about what the board has been doing and also invite other groups to come and present about resources available, excuse me, to all Medford residents. So that is in the works.
As an update on where we are with funds, we so graciously received CPA funding in fiscal year 25 and 26. As you can see, we did also get an affordable housing sales processing fee, which is when an affordable housing Ownership unit a condo or house is sold the city has to go through some additional auditing work And so that's where that fee comes from and we also received a developer payment for rivers edge $250,000 which was much appreciated and actually I just spoke with our director of finance today and Due to some sort of technicalities of how the fund was initially set up. It was more of the high-interest type of fund. We've actually transitioned it to one that will be easier, more liquid. But the positive side of that is that we gained almost $18,000 in interest from that trust, which I have not updated the spreadsheet to reflect, but so that's great. Going forward, we won't be getting that much interest, but we will be able to give money in and out more easily, and we have awarded $200,000. That money hasn't gone out yet, but so that kind of puts us to just under a million dollars.
And this is the project I mentioned for Medford Community Housing at 703 Fellsway West. This is a three unit building. It's exciting because two of those three units are three bedrooms, which are really exceedingly rare to have affordable housing units with three bedrooms. There's also a one bedroom as well. At this time, the one-bedroom has been leased up and there's a tenant living there and they are in the process of moving ahead with filling the two three-bedroom units as well.
The trust funding is really to get the project over the finish line. They had some outstanding bills for their contractors. That is what the trust voted to help with. Lisa, do you want to take over from here? I can turn it over to you.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Yes, just check in. Okay, I'm off mute, sorry. Sorry guys, my computer is having some problems, so I'm on my phone. Anyways, the Affordable Housing Trust Fund, we want to promote a welcoming, diverse, intergenerational, and inclusive city with a mix of housing choices that offer a diverse option to residents with varying needs and preferences. We're looking to use our financial and property resources to address local housing needs and meet the production goals established in the housing production plan and to preserve the affordability of existing affordable homes. We want to foster soft, well-designed, I'm sorry, safe, well-designed, accessible, sustainable housing. integrate affordable and diverse housing options throughout the city, expand local capacity to implement housing initiatives by building partnerships with mission-driven organizations and developers seeking to build affordable housing, and increase communications about housing resources across the community. Our priority actions. Sorry. Yeah.
Thanks. Priority actions are to build affordable housing in partnership with the Medford Housing Authority and mission-driven organizations and developers, and to preserve and convert existing housing to long-term affordability. Research implementations of programs to support first-time home buyers, down payment assistance, and equity buy-downs. planning, fundraising, and resource fair events, which Catherine shared earlier, and advocate for affordable housing development and policies that maximize the resources available to the city to meet the city's needs.
[Katherine Buckingham]: So thank you, Lisa. Yeah, I was just going to chime in to say a lot of that is pulling from that action plan that we spent the first year, year and a half or so developing and finalizing. So I just wanted, we wanted to pull from that some of the highlights just to give a picture of, you know, overarching goals and priority items. And of course the report has a lot more detail about the research we did to figure out what our needs were, how to meet them, et cetera. But yeah, we just wanted to give a high level overview. And yeah, sorry if I cut you off, Lisa, if you have anything else to say.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Nope, you took the words right out of my mouth. So thank you. I just want to acknowledge for all the benefit of all the committee members, newer and older, that the Fellsway West project that the Housing Trust helped to get over the finish line is the same Fellsway West housing project that the CPC funded back in our early years of the CPA program. So it's also an exciting moment for the CPC to see our first housing development project come to fruition. And I also wanted to, before I take any more questions and comments from the committee members, acknowledge that we also have guests in the room with us here this evening who are from the Housing Authority, also here to give us an update after we talk with the Affordable Housing Trust on the Walkland Court development. And I wanted to invite you all also to participate if you have questions to share with the Affordable Housing Trust as well.
Thank you. Questions from committee members?
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: Just want to know if you're having fun yet.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: I am it's nice. I will say that it's been a minute since I've been able to see the the bank account and it's nice to see it growing. That means we have the ability. Hopefully that when people are coming to us, hopefully we'll start getting applications for housing developments to fill those gap the gaps that that is needed to create affordable housing. So I'm looking forward to it. Yes.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: I remember when we first started, and Doug and Roberta will remember this, we had an application from the Somerville Community Corporation or something. They were going to be building a big housing complex in the St. Clement's School or something, and some of it was going to be affordable. Maybe all of it, I don't remember. And then the rug got pulled out from underneath them. So that always made me feel like there's got to be more out there, more opportunity for us to find these projects. The Fellsway West thing was fun, three units, but still we're like looking for the big bang for the bucks. So appreciate all the work that you're doing to make that a reality.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Losa.
[Losa Julie Genevieve]: Thank you. I know this section of the CPA for the housing was created to better allocate, I would say, money towards affordable housing in Medford. My question is, as a resident in the housing, Medford housing myself, I speak for not only the residents that currently live there, but future residents, is will Medford housing have any difficulty applying for grant through the affordable housing, say for instance, that put being provided like second or would they provide the same opportunity for everybody else that tried to apply for grant to the affordable housing?
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: So I want to make sure that I understood your question. It sounds like the question was if Medford Housing Authority were to approach the trust fund for assistance and help fill their gap in developing housing, would they be given the same opportunity as other non-profit, I would assume non-profits, but other partners within creating affordable housing? Is that the question? Perfect. Yes. The housing authority has, no, I'm sorry. The trust has decided to take applications on a rolling basis. So what happens is instead of constantly putting out an RFP saying, hey, we have money come to us, because that means they have to come to us before they have a development in place, before they have a project in place, this way they're coming to us. after they've got they've started the process they're planning the process they're seeing how much the how you know how much the development is caught and is going to cost them and start lining up their other fundings uh with the state and the other federal funds um and then we'll go everybody will have the same opportunities yes thank you you're welcome I'm looking forward to those applications, by the way.
I would also like to acknowledge how helpful it is to have the Affordable Housing Trust and their expertise to evaluate the next applications from the housing authority or from nonprofit housing developers because We, the CPC, when we evaluated those applications earlier on, felt like we needed some technical support that we didn't have available to us. So it will be really, I think, it will enable better stewardship of the funding that's available for affordable housing to have the trust managing the housing developments.
[Ari Fishman]: Are there questions from the committee? This is actually a question for Roberta, which you are welcome not to answer if you don't want to, but I saw that you're not being reappointed and was curious if there's any context there that would be relevant to the committee.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: No negative context whatsoever. I had a very good experience serving on the committee for 2 years, but I really didn't have the intention of serving forever on the affordable housing trust board. I wanted to help with that initiation, drafting a plan and getting the. getting the new procedures off the ground, having had experience doing that for the CPC back then. And I also wanted to join the Historic District Commission and felt like three committees would just be too many.
[Ari Fishman]: That seems very reasonable.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: So I thought that since my term was ending anyway, this would be a good opportunity to let somebody else lead.
[Ari Fishman]: So thank you for your tireless service to the city.
[Theresa Dupont]: Um, all right. I have one quick question and it might just be like a flowery generic question, but what is it that we can do on the CPC to help continue the efforts that you're doing over there. I know the easy answer is thank you so much for the annual funding. We look forward to it next year. But is there anything else that we can do to help champion the initiatives and efforts from the trust?
[Katherine Buckingham]: One thought, and I think Roberta and I had talked a little bit about this, is just if from your perspective on the CPC, if any of you know of any affordable housing developers or projects in the pipeline or introductions or just like helping make sure people know about the trust now that we exist, because we kind of, I mean, we are so grateful, first of all, for the funding from you all, but also the legwork that you've done previous to the trust's existence.
Yeah, I think just making sure people are aware of these opportunities. And we're trying to do more to get the word out. As I mentioned, the event we're planning in the fall. But maybe once we have flyers and stuff for that, I might even share with Roberta if she wants to share with you all. But yeah, I think the biggest thing from my perspective is spreading the word, making sure people know about this resource.
[Theresa Dupont]: Great. Well, I think we can do that.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Well, thank you very much to our friends from the Affordable Housing Trust. And if you would like to stay on for a few more minutes, you may be very interested to hear our update from the Housing Authority. I would love to invite you all to come and... And if you could join us at the table so that we can capture you on our little camera.
[Theresa Dupont]: This is a little camera. Doing some manual camera work today, folks. There we go. All right.
[Ciccariello]: Let's get started. I'll start with introductions. Good evening, everyone. Nice to see you all. I'm Gabe Ciccarello, the Director of Modernization and Procurement with the Medford Housing Authority. I'm here representing the Housing Authority this evening.
[6zUtu0XZLH4_SPEAKER_05]: Hi, I'm Barbara Vivian. I'm the Director of Administration at the Medford Housing Authority. and I'm just here to support the Housing Authority and Gaye Ciccariello and our chairperson here, Losa, very good to see you.
[Ciccariello]: And Natalie Jansen, who's with the Cambridge Housing Authority, is on virtually, too, to provide any backup and support for me. If you're not familiar with what's going on with Walkland Court, the Cambridge Housing Authority is acting as a development partner, a co-developer, development consultant, and also acting as an owner's project manager for this project. So, that's just a little history. I provided a PowerPoint this evening. For those who that may not be completely familiar. With the walking court project, I just wanted to give everyone a brief overview of what's going on there. So, and I have some really good news.
a ton of progress in 2026. This project was like with any of these large scale redevelopment projects. I've always said it takes hundreds of small miracles for these to happen. This project was supposed to have started back in June of 2024. So we're just at about two years behind schedule. And it was because of the kind of over subscription of the private activity bonds that happened in the state. It was a no fault of the authority and with the big, beautiful bill. They changed the 50% test to a 25% test for the amount of private activity bonds required for an affordable housing project. And that really gave these, um, these finance agencies greater capacity to fund more projects. And that is what gave the push to get phase one walk lane going. And we're going to discuss phase two, um, further into the presentation. Um, you assume it's out of Teresa. Thank you. So, just really quick, so our team again is Medford housing authority is acting consultant. Our development council is known she and Patton was a designer on the project and we currently have Henry archetype. That's going to be doing construction administration. And Consigli is our construction project manager. So we just onboarded them. We signed the guaranteed maximum price contract with them last week.
So throughout this PowerPoint, we're gonna go through kind of the neighborhood context, what we did for, you know, what the goals and outreach of the project were, size and scale, building layout, traffic impact site access, We'll go over some landscaping, the exterior facades, and what you're all here for, the timeline updates. So, Walkman Court is currently 144 units of deeply affordable housing that has historically been supported by the state. It was originally DHCD, now it's EOHLC. It's nine residential buildings. They're all each nine residential buildings identical. The two-story walk-up garden flat style building with 16 units each. It just historically has been underfunded, never been comprehensively modernized, and these are just some of the kind of typical conditions that you're seeing at the current buildings.
So this is a bird's-eye view of Walkling Court. As you can see, to the west, you have Whole Foods and Starbucks. To the south is the MBTA commuter rail and kind of large and mid-rise building owned by Cummings property. And to the south is a Mystic River reservation and some typical Medford single family and two family homes. And then to the east is the real kind of Medford residential two family, like very tight knit community neighborhood to the east of the site.
And these are some pictures so the top left is a picture of the West of the site showing a whole foods parking lot in the back of whole foods. The top right is the entrance to walk when caught off of Auburn street. So that's looking down Auburn street towards a corner of North street and Auburn street. And then at the bottom is a view from the North street bridge. kind of showing the entrance and parking lot of Walkman Court off of North Street, the MBTA commuter rail, and again the Cummings building, what used to be, what was the place where people of beauty could go to? Elizabeth Grady building, that's currently vacant.
So this is just a nice kind of rendering of what this site will look like when it's complete. So the goals of the redevelopment are to provide high quality, accessible, deeply affordable units to our existing residents, but also build, this is total for both phases, 94 net new deeply affordable units in Medford. We're trying to improve resiliency and sustainability on the site and then improve the site's connection into the surrounding neighborhood. We'll go through that. And the replacement of the 144 units and construction of new units on the site was included in the city's housing production plan in all units. When this project is complete, it's not just a portion of the units. Every single unit will be deeply affordable and the residents' rent is maxed out at 30% of their income.
So this is just a little blurb. We'll move through this quick. But just to let you know, we went through, this is a few years back now though, and community engagement process. We had, at a minimum, seven resident meetings. We had five full community meetings. We did this, if you're familiar with these redevelopment things, legally you need to do mailings for these meetings. I believe it's about 400 feet from any property line. but because of that we kind of extended into the blue area the yellow area is kind of the legal limit we extended into to try to hit some more of the that neighborhood to the east of the site we've also met with a variety you know all pretty much all city departments and there are also public meetings on top of what we did with the resident community meetings that were related to the cpa funding and the zoning changes required for the project So, these buildings, so phase 1, what we're here tonight is to talk about both phases, but we're really here for phase 1, which in this picture is, it looks like 2 buildings, but they are connected. It's a phase 1. it's 5 stories of living space. With covered podium, parking and community space on the ground floor, so it's a total of 6 stories, 5 of them being residential.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: The high-rise is gone now? Wasn't there a high-rise in the back? Is that gone, redesigned?
[Ciccariello]: No, so there's the mid-rise buildings right there. There's no high-rises with this project. They've got mid-rise. The tallest is six stories. Phase one is six stories. Okay. The second phase has a four-story mid-rise that's three levels of residential with podium parking for the ground level.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: You must have been talking to my neighbors who will tell you about a high rise.
[Ciccariello]: The actual scale with the elevations and everything, the scale or the height of the six-story mid-rise is going to be in line with what that Cummings building is on the other side of the tracks. And so then there's three townhouse buildings that will abut our shared neighbors to the east and south of the site. So we tried to scale in the development, keep the scale, the larger buildings in line with what was going on on the other side of Boston Ave. Yes, we can go so this is a kind of overall site plan bird's eye view of what building a is phase 1. that's what we're here to give you the update on tonight and phase 2 is building B is that. 4 story mid rise building, and then C, D, and E are the townhouses. And the picture to the top right is a picture of what the courtyard at the dedicated senior mid-rise will look like. So that's in the top left corner of building A. There's a big courtyard there that'll be community gardens. really nice landscaping, so that's going to be dedicated for the senior building. And then the bottom right picture is kind of what this site's going to look like coming into Walkland Court off of Auburn Street. So you're going to have those townhouses to your left, the family mid-rise to the right, and straight ahead you'd be seeing the senior mid-rise building.
So this is a breakdown of what we have for unit type. So building A is phase 1. It's going to be 188 one-bedroom units, 10 two-bedroom units for a total of 198 units. So in phase 1 alone, we're netting 54 new elderly. one, there's a total of 14 or 15 handicap units, 11 of them being like fully mobility, like for people that have handicap mobility issues, 11 handicap units like that. And then there's four handicap units for people that have audio or visual Disabilities. So it's like a total of 15 units, but there are 11 for mobility issues. Four of them are for people that have audio visual issues. And then the breakdown for phase two, the family, the four-story family mid-rise would have six one bedrooms, 15 two bedrooms, and I think it's three three-bedroom units.
[Theresa Dupont]: Sorry.
[Ciccariello]: No, it's okay. He's getting wonky.
[Theresa Dupont]: There we go.
[Ciccariello]: Okay.
[Theresa Dupont]: Nailed it.
[Ciccariello]: And then the townhouses, none of the townhouses will have one bedroom units. They'll be, you know, four, two, and a couple, three bedroom units. So, in the end, it's going to be a total of 238 units there. of the buildings and everything.
[6zUtu0XZLH4_SPEAKER_05]: If I could just interject for a moment, the family mid-rise is the first time we would have a building that has elevator access. Right now, all of our family developments are all walk-ups. There's a couple of handicapped units that were built in, but this is the first time we'll be able to have a mid-rise with an elevator.
[Ciccariello]: Yeah, and there will be handicapped, a good amount of handicapped family units in that building. That's huge. So this is just a picture of. just an idea of what the exterior facades will look like. And we tried to use some of the elements that we saw, those pictures in the circles are pictures from the surrounding neighborhood. So we tried to make the windows and some of the bay windows similar to what you see in your typical Medford two-family home, the storefronts that we're using for the community room and lobby access. So it's some of the stuff that architectural details that you're seeing in the neighborhood already that we tried to incorporate into the design. So hopefully it doesn't stand out. We tried to blend things in and try to get it to fit in as best to the surrounding community as possible.
So this is what, so you saw earlier what the site would look like entering from Auburn Street. This is what it's going to look like entering off of North Street. In the end there will be, right now there's two separate entrances to Walkland Court. The site is kind of divided. There's an entrance off of North Street and then there's development is complete, there will be a through street that connects North Street to Auburn Street. We think that would really help cut down on traffic at the corner of Auburn and North Street for residents to access to for fire apparatus, ambulances and everything. So as you pull in off of North Street, you're going to have your senior mid rise to your left, that family mid rise is straight down. And then when you turn around the corner, you're going to see the townhouses and that'll get you out to Auburn. street. So there's a really nice, we're trying to really step up on the landscaping here, have really nice courtyards in the front of the building, greenery, nice trees. Um, so trying to make it as, you know, welcoming as possible because we know it is current walking is currently used as a cut through by a lot of the community to get from North Street over to Whole Foods and Starbucks. So that's something we're really looking to maintain when this is complete.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: I was going to ask that, because there's a little break in the fence between the court and the parking lot for the Whole Foods.
[Ciccariello]: We're going to maintain that.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: That's good.
[Ciccariello]: Even during construction, we're going to get into it. I'm getting ahead of myself. This is a picture. So if you were now standing in front of the senior mid-rise, kind of at the entry to the senior mid-rise and looking South towards Auburn street, this is what you'd be seeing the family mid rise. You can kind of see the podium parking on the ground level. And then to the right is your townhouse styles, which you're going to have nice covered porches. So, they're really, they're really attractive townhouses.
So most people always want to know about parking. So there's going to be, for the senior, mid-rise, a total of 99 residential spaces. 40 of those 99 are in the podium. There's going to be 14 spaces for staff management, resident services. And then another, I want to say it's 40, of phase 2. So it's a total of 153 parking spaces on site. So this is just to talk about some of the traffic calming measures that we're using. The city now, for pretty much all developments, they want these raised sidewalks. So they really help with pedestrian traffic. They make people kind of slow down automatically when they enter a site. There's also what we're using called chicanes. They're just kind of turns that narrow. They're just things that automatically make people slow down when driving through a development or through a street. So we're going to have speed tables, chicanes, and these gateways when you enter the development.
This is just an overview of what the landscaping will look like. We tried to keep, as you can see, some decent separation from the townhouses to the residential homes to the east of the site, same thing. thing with the South. And again, at the top left, we're showing the community garden beds, a nice large outdoor space that's dedicated for the seniors. There's also at the bottom kind of left is a nice courtyard at the front of the building. So we tried to take advantages of as much green space as possible while still increasing unit count. But we think we did it tastefully.
So this is just a little blurb about the local social and economic benefits. So we're preserving the existing 144 units. In the end, we're adding 94, all deeply affordable units. And it's just such a cool range of different types of housing. Also improving sustainability. Again, trying to integrate this site into the neighborhood. economic benefit you know with both phases we're looking at a total development cost of 166 million in local economic activity and through construction will generate a support approximately 968 jobs.
So what we're here for tonight is the update As you know, we've been kind of sitting idly by not idle. We've been working, but. Just to let, you know, what's kind of happened the last 6 months. So, in November, we finally received the kind of go ahead. We were told, hey, you're going to be getting your allocation in early 26. so, in January, we began our solicitation for construction management services. In March, we received proposals from, it was 6 firms, 6 really good firms we received proposals from. We ended up awarding to Consigli at a GMP of 98, it's almost 98.3M dollars.
So, we felt like they were the most qualified and they also were the most competitive with pricing. So it was a win win. We're working diligently for financial closing in mid July. Right around the same time, we promised our residents and the surrounding community that we would have another meeting with them before we had any construction activity taking place. So we will flyer the neighborhood, do the mailings to the surrounding community. So we want them to meet the construction team. We're going to talk about site logistics, mitigation, scheduling, planning, Hours of work, it's just going to be an opportunity for the neighborhood to meet all the players involved in the project. And we're going to go through dust control pest management is always a concern when you're doing demolition sound mitigation.
All the surrounding neighbors are going to be getting something in the mail in the next month or so. We want to do surveys. If people allow us, we'll do surveys of the exterior of homes. If people allow us into their homes, we're going to do surveys just to get existing conditions of the surrounding neighborhood. So a lot of activity has been taking place and will be taking place if all goes well. We could be looking for Consigny to start mobilizing in late July, early August. Construction for phase one is estimated best case. We could bring it in in 18 months, but we're anticipating 18 to 20 months tops for phase one. So by April of 28, we will be moving people into phase one.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: All for the low, low price of $350,000 back in 2021. Yes.
[Ciccariello]: Hey, I can't stress enough. I can't stress enough. No, seriously, that seed money meant the world to this project. And we couldn't have done it without the support of Roberta and the rest of the Community Preservation Committee. It really means the world to us. It meant the world to this project to get that local support. And like you said, it was a big deal getting that. And again, look what it got us. Just the construction cost is just under $100 million. The total development cost is around, with soft costs and everything, around $130 million project. That started, that seed money of $350,000, really got the ball rolling. And it's unbelievable.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: And that's for phase one?
[Ciccariello]: Just for phase one, yeah.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: We'll see you again for phase two.
[Ciccariello]: We're going to talk about that.
[Losa Julie Genevieve]: Gross that? Just so if some people is not aware, right now, walk-in court do not have any handicap accessible unit that was there before. So, having this construction and bringing in all this handicap accessible unit is great.
[Ciccariello]: Great and next talk about phase 2. so phase 2, again, it's a 40. new deeply affordable family units. The zoning for both phases is complete. We got our planned development district zoning complete, so we're all set for the zoning for phase two. We have schematic design already for phase two, so for the building schematics complete for the actual site work, design development is complete. We're going to be working once we can really get the financial closing of Walkland Court. We're going to start working on procuring an A&E team to complete the construction drawings for phase two.
The phase two building, so there's three buildings that are going to remain occupied on site. during phase one construction. So once phase one is complete, those three buildings will be, you know, those people are getting preference. They're the first people that are going to be moving into the phase one. And we would anticipate, if all goes well, construction on phase two starting soon after, right after phase one, which would be April. of 2028 and that would be another maybe 18 month construction period. Mass development who's providing the private activity bonds has stated they currently have the capacity to give us tax credits for phase two. So that's great. So things are really shaping up so that Phase 2 is looking really good.
And ideally, we're hoping to submit something to the Housing Trust, an application to ideally, we know it would come in phases. We have some time. But again, if we could get some for pre-development funding, a fraction or portion of pre-development funding, that would be amazing. So Natalie and I and Zach from the Cambridge Housing Authority will definitely be reaching out to the Affordable Housing And if there's any other avenues to if there's any other local funding or that's available there for for phase 2. Natalie, I don't know if you want to want to just step in at all. I know we're currently looking at for total for.
Now, it's more expensive. We're at, which is, it sounds expensive, but for phase one, we're at about $480 a square foot, which is. for the industry that we're in, it's a very competitive, good pricing. Phase two is gonna be higher because it's family units, it's larger bedroom counts, it's just a type of construction. I believe we're looking at between 31 to $32 million for phase two for the 40 family units. So yeah, Natalie, I don't know if you wanna talk any further to-
[Nathalie Janson]: Hi, everybody. Thanks for having us, and thanks for letting me join by Zoom. So as Gabe mentioned, so we're closing on phase one, and there we've got a very good pricing from Kinsigli for that project. We're a little earlier with phase two, so we've completed schematic designs. We have a cost estimate based on that, and we also have this good pricing that we've received for phase one. So currently we're projecting that construction costs of $500 per square foot for phase two. As Gabe mentioned, one of the things that makes the phase two really unique is that it's rare that you get an opportunity to build 40 new affordable units for families. Those units tend to be larger. So when you saw that table of the unit breakdown, there are seven three-bedroom units and a majority of the other units are two bedroom units. And so the cost just gets a little bit higher. So we currently have it modeled around $32, $33 million. But in order to get better pricing, we need to get started on the construction drawings. And as part of that process, you end up getting additional cost estimates with drawings that are further along.
So yeah, we're very excited to, once phase one is complete, we're all very focused on that, being able to have a conversation with the Affordable Housing Trust Fund to see what could be a potential local ask for this project for the second phase.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Are there other questions from committee members?
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: This is the kind of work I love to see. This is the reason why we did this, is to have projects like this. This is awesome. Yeah.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: I just had a couple of minor questions. Back when we were having those community meetings during the planning process, I remember there being negotiation around which trees you were able to keep on the site. Maybe some trees relocate. some trees were going to have to be lost and also talked about potential for art in the public spaces in the building and whether there you might be able to obtain funding especially for that. So if you could like comment on whether any of that has changed since those earlier discussions.
[Ciccariello]: Yeah so we as part of the zoning had an agreement with it I believe it's Trees Medford We were going to be relocating. There's some like Asian pear trees. That were planted about 4 to 5 years ago, we're going to be relocating those, but we cut a check, I believe was 50,000 dollars to trees Medford to. Try to make up for in the end, there's going to be more trees on site, but it's not the size and caliber of the existing trees that we have there. So.
The trees that are in the middle of the site are going to be lost, but we're trying to save as many as we can around the perimeter of the site. And there are some good size old growth trees around the perimeter that we're really going to make our best efforts to.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: Did you talk to Aggie Tootin, the tree one, just to make sure that we're planting the right kind of trees? Because I know that the pear trees she's not liking anymore.
[Ciccariello]: Yeah, no. It's all native species that will be going. And yes, we walked the site with her.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: OK.
[Ciccariello]: Yeah. And then a great question about the Medford Arts Council. We actually reached out to them for the Saltonstall building that... I'll let you plug that right now. Oh, the mural? The ribbon cutting. I want you to talk about that.
[6zUtu0XZLH4_SPEAKER_05]: So we're having a ribbon cutting at the Saltonstall building on Wednesday, June 24th at 11 o'clock. You might have seen your invitations and your save the dates. I've sent them out to hundreds and hundreds of people extremely proud of that project. And I'm thinking about all these arts as I just purchased a number of things for all of our program rooms. for all of our tenants to do, everything from watercolor painting to cribbage, you name it. They are fully full of arts on the wall. We did reach out, I think, to Tufts University for a mural.
[Ciccariello]: Well, we reached out to the Medford Arts Council, who put us in touch, they said at the time they didn't have any, but put us in touch with Tufts, who created a student project, and tough students came and painted a mural at the stone stall building but there's a lot of opportunity we'll continue to reach out the medford arts council to get some ideas and get um yeah there there is funding set aside to do stuff like that we continue to reach out to enforce all install and toughs we'll we'll take it we'll work with whoever to there's so much welcome it yes so if you attention yeah yeah any kind of nudge to them to to look favorably upon us and work with us we're going to to pay at a reasonable price for art and stuff like that but um yeah no we reached out to them and I don't know if they just had too many commitments at the time but they couldn't for salt and salt it's maybe walking cool be different
[Theresa Dupont]: I will say that CACHE, which is largely events, but arts and cultural as a committee, CACHE, as well as the Medford Arts Collaborative, just recently merged. So there's a lot of movement in the arts realm in Medford right now. So they may be in the middle of a reorg. But I think that they'll be really announcing their new structure and everything shortly. So yeah.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: That's a good question. So I hear there are more slides.
[Ciccariello]: There's just one more just to talk about. People always ask about the residents, about relocation. So this just kind of shows the breakdown. So as I stated, there's currently nine residential buildings in a community center, which is used as a polling place. And once phase one is done, that the community center in the phase one senior mid-rise will continue to be a polling place for the for the neighborhood um so to accommodate the phase one construction six of the nine residential buildings will need to be demolished and the community center to accommodate phase one there's so during phase one construction only three residential buildings will be occupied during the construction of Phase 1. Those are the buildings in green at the bottom. We've met all of our relocation needs. All of our residents have mainly been relocated to other units within the Medford Housing Authority's portfolio. Some were given, all residents had the opportunity to take a mobile Section 8 voucher if they wanted. Some residents took that.
And that allows them to go anywhere, anywhere, anywhere. Yeah, it's pretty amazing opportunity if you have family that's somewhere. Yeah. So, some residents use that, but the majority, a lot of them came to salt and stall since we had, you don't know, salt and stall, we were able to create 22 more units in the salt and stall building. So, that was a great help with relocation assistance for Walkland Court. All of the residents, we can't stress this enough, any existing resident has the right to return to Wakling when it's complete. That's something we always did. I feel like sometimes big rumors get out there. Any resident that was an existing Wakling Court resident has the right to return or be offered a unit at the new Wakling Court develop when it's complete.
they're happy where they're currently at.
[6zUtu0XZLH4_SPEAKER_05]: Some people from Saltonstall went to other developments like Weldon Gardens or 1020 Gardens and they stayed there and didn't come back.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Is there a relocation place identified for the polling place?
[6zUtu0XZLH4_SPEAKER_05]: That's a great question. The elections department know what our situation is and they have made arrangements. They have? Yeah. Okay.
[Ciccariello]: So yeah, we were anticipating it wouldn't be polling this November and next November, but November 28, it'll be available.
[6zUtu0XZLH4_SPEAKER_05]: They actually got an extra year because they were notified a year prior, letting them know that it would be available. We opened it back up for a year, so it was very fortunate. Thank you for your partnership.
[Ciccariello]: Absolutely. But yeah, that's it for the presentation.
[Reggie Graham]: Thank you much. I just want to say this is a very exciting time. in this city investment, you know, to have that many units, especially affordable housing units, and I'm extremely excited.
[Ciccariello]: Really.
[6zUtu0XZLH4_SPEAKER_05]: A lot of people are.
[Ciccariello]: Yeah, thank you.
[6zUtu0XZLH4_SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, beaming with pride. You should.
[Ciccariello]: Yeah, I can't wait for you guys to see some. I know you came to see like the model unit.
[Unidentified]: Yeah.
[Ciccariello]: It is. People, architects that work on some smaller projects, they walk in, they can't believe just the level of the finishes in it. We are so, couldn't be more proud to provide the housing that we are for the residents.
[6zUtu0XZLH4_SPEAKER_05]: The people who deliver supplies come in and say they can't believe that this is an affordable housing, that it looks like a hotel. It is just so beautiful. Residents were so helpful with the transition, the people that stayed on site, and we're hoping for the same type of communication and help from the people at Walkman Court. And I think the big difference here at Walkman Court is we don't have to transfer people out now. It's already done. It's vacant. So that's a big help.
But we'll take care of the people that stay on site as well.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Great. Thank you. Any other questions? Thank you so much.
[Ciccariello]: This was perfect timing. We're so happy. Thank you for being so patient. I know it's a lot of money that you guys gave us for this project, and it's coming to fruition. It's going to happen. All these things never happen on the timeline you'd like them to, but we're really going to push considerably. I can't speak highly enough of them. They're an amazing general contractor, and we're really lucky to have them for Walkman Court. I think they're going to do right by the surrounding community, do right by our residents and the authority, and it's going to be a successful project.
[Theresa Dupont]: Yeah, they're doing work over at the Midland and Andrews School right now, which I know consistently is a big name, but they're already in our neighborhood doing some good work.
[6zUtu0XZLH4_SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they're extremely respectful of I can't speak heavily enough. They're great.
[Ciccariello]: Awesome.
[Theresa Dupont]: Wonderful.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Well, thank you very much.
[Ciccariello]: Thank you, everybody. It's great to see everyone. Thank you.
[6zUtu0XZLH4_SPEAKER_05]: Bye, Natalie.
[Nathalie Janson]: Good to see everyone. Thank you all for coming. Thank you.
[Ciccariello]: Thank you.
[Nathalie Janson]: Thank you.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Committee members, we have one small item left on our agenda of two. Administrators update.
[Theresa Dupont]: Thank you. Thank you. I'll keep it very brief. I'll first address, actually, if I may, I did not, I'm realizing I didn't put the meeting minutes into the folder. For that, I apologize. We'll have it at next time. We'll have it at next time, I promise. And I'll circulate them tomorrow so everybody does have them. I know it exists. Administrative updates, I don't really have to too much beyond that it is the season for cabling. So this is becoming our outreach season.
I don't want to like have anybody, let's do this. And I'm over here too. I don't want to put anybody on the spot to commit to any of them, but in the meeting packet and going forward for future meeting packets, I'm going to keep a, it's called the Medford CPC tabling events spreadsheet. These are just the known events that we routinely go to as well as ones that I've already identified. So I kind of have it set up where it might be a sign-up sheet. So if anybody, if folks could just take a look at that and say, hey, you know what, maybe I can help out with Saturdays in the Park on September 19th. If you could just drop your name in there, that would be super helpful. For those who haven't tabled with us, it's really fun. Most people just either they already know about CPA and they want to talk your ear off about new projects to do, or they have no idea about CPA and isn't that fun? You get the opportunity to tell everybody what it is that we do. So, um, our tabling exercises are really just about engaging with folks, getting some feedback, um, and sharing the good stuff that we do here. So even if you can only join for like an hour, 30 minutes, that's great. Um, I'm always happy to table, but it's a, It'd be nice to see some other faces join me. So that's all I pretty much have for administrative updates at this point. If anybody could just take a look at that tabling events spreadsheet and see if there's an opportunity to join me.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Thank you for putting that together and for sharing it.
[Theresa Dupont]: Yeah. I figured this would be easier rather than, hey, in two months we'll have this date, and just put it all down. I have everything through the rest of the year on there up to December. So that's all I have.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Thank you. Well, I think we have covered everything on our agenda this week.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: Can I ask for an agenda item for July's meeting? Yes. Social outing.
[Theresa Dupont]: Thank you. I was actually going to tease something out here. For our August meeting, we won't have a formal meeting. We have a social outing for the, I think everybody's been through the gamut once before, We hang out, we have fun, we talk a little, shop, but mostly it's just a social outing. So start thinking about some ideas if there's any place you want to go, but we'll definitely be an agenda item for next month. So come up with some ideas.
Thank you, Joan.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: We usually have really fantastic ideas and get ranked out. That's usually our pattern. That's usually, yeah.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: Have you seen that little area that Mrs. Mervy has tucked away in the back? It's lovely. Yeah. Very cute.
[Theresa Dupont]: Did we just figure it out? But yes, come with some ideas next month. We'll discuss it as an agenda item.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: That's all I got. Thank you very much, everyone. Would anyone like to?
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: Motion to adjourn the meeting?
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Second. All right. I will call the roll. Reg?
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: Yes.
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Joe?
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: Yes.
[Theresa Dupont]: Doug? We lost Doug, sorry. We lost Doug. He did text me. He wasn't rude.
[SPEAKER_07]: Losa? Yes. Ari? Yes. Jeremy?
[Chair Roberta Cameron]: Yes.
[Vice Chair Joan Cyr]: See you all next month. Good night, everybody. Good night, everyone. Bye-bye. Good night.